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For beginners in astronomy, a short thread on the 31+ observations of the planetary positions of the Mahabharata AND what it means when anybody says that they have corroborated ALL of them in their thesis. Should you believe them? Or not? Read on.

Here we go. Out of these 31+ positions, 22 relate to graha positions.
Let me go one by one so that you begin to realise the importance of what I am telling you.
4 observations of Saturn, the slowest moving related to 3 positions.

4 observations of Saturn, the slowest moving graha related to 3 possible positions.
These are at Rohini, Purvaphalguni, Vishakha. To give you the idea, right now Saturn is at Purvashadha where it was this last year. It spends 2.5 years approx in a sign!!

So, there is a gap of few years between each of Saturn’s possible positions in Purvaphalguni, Rohini and Vishakha...
NOBODY can corroborate ALL of them in one year!!!

So here are Saturn’s possible positions in the Mahabharata war:

https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1193891701443706886?s=21 https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1193891701443706886

https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1193891701443706886?s=21

So, you see the basic difficulty in saying that one corroborated all 3 positions, consisting of 4 verses related to Saturn in their Mahabharata thesis?
I corroborate 2 verses related to Saturn in 3067BCE.
Now the funny part is that, in 5561BCE NOT a single verse is corroborated.

Now we come to Jupiter.
Jupiter has three verses, related to three possible positions.
Jupiter moves around the zodiac in 13 years, spends 13 months per sign.
There are 2.25 Nakshatras per sign.
Jupiter CANNOT stay at a nakshatra for a year.

Please understand the basics of astronomy here.
Next, let me show you the Nakshatras in Virgo to Libra:
0-10 deg Virgo: UPhalguni
10-23:20deg Virgo: Hasta
23:20-30 Virgo: Chitra

0- 6:40 Libra: Chitra contd.
6:40-20 deg Libra: Swati
20-30 deg Libra: Vishakha

If I say that any planet/graha stays “Sameepa” or near a Nakshatra Vishakha, for a year, then what does it mean?
Does near Vishakha, mean, Uttarashadha?
Does near Vishakha mean Hasta/Chitra?
Are our Rishis not knowing what they speak?

Consider the number of Nakshatras in the middle of each of these:
So counting from Vishakha, we have, Anuradha, then Jyestha, then Mula, then Purvashadha, THEN Uttarashadha!!
This is where Jupiter lies in 5561BCE.
4+ Nakshatras away is “Sameepa” or “near” Vishakha.

Imagine, the mindless confusion, if today when Jupiter is at Mula, I was to describe him as being near Vishakha, which is 2.5 Nakshatras away.
Public would consider me a fool if I said that!! No?

Shall we go further?
Suppose today, I was to tell you that I just saw Halley’s Comet at Pushya. Absolutely. 100%.
What would you tell me?
Do you understand the mindless confusion created. You would look at the sky and ask me: “Are you well, Manish?”
No?

You would tell me in the situation that Halley’s comet has a period of 75.32 years AND cannot be seen with the naked eye despite my excellent eyesight, no matter what.

Similarly, Halley’s can’t be seen in 5561BCE, it’s an impossibility, BUT corroborated by Oak!!!

Please note that if I told you, that today, Dec 7, 2019, I just saw Halley’s Comet in the sky, you wouldn’t believe me would you?
Then when you know that the period is 75.32 years why would you believe anyone if they said they corroborated it in 5561BCE?
It’s an impossibility.

Now, let’s come to Mars positions:
In reality there are only two possible positions for Mars in the Mahabharata.
UNLESS I SPECULATE!!
If I speculate, then anything can become Mars!

Did you know, that in the Mahabharata Critical Edition there are 9 grahas with ambiguous names, let me show you what they are:
Shweta, Dhuma, Pavaka, Pavakaprabha, Dhruva, Lohitango, Parusha, Tivra and Shyama!!
We can speculate as to their names, BUT will be correct?

Let’s have some fun: Take these names n think of a planet:
Shweta, Dhuma, Pavaka, Pavakaprabha, Dhruva, Lohitango, Parusha, Tivra and Shyama!!

Now, enjoy. U will call one graha by one name, another by a 2nd, a third by a 3rd. Even Raghavan doesn’t escape, what to say of others.

Can ANYBODY claim that they have definitely corroborated these 9 names?
Is it actually possible?
Think a little and apply human intelligence.
So now you see how hollow the claim of verifying 31+ planetary positions is?

Now, let’s ask you a basic question.
Can you see Uranus, Neptune and Pluto with your naked eyes?
The answer is NO.
If I said that I can see them and started putting Tivra graha to Pluto for example, will you believe me?

Here is the actual situation. Check out:
In 5561BCE.

If you use the same parameters in real life used to corroborate stuff, as I showed in this thread, then you can also corroborate everything.
BUT please understand, that it won’t stand the test of scrutiny nor of time.

This is Mahabharata, it was a Dharma Yuddha.

So far I have shown you how 17 out of 22 observations in 5561 BCE cannot be corroborated (4 for Saturn, 3 for Jupiter + 9 ambiguous + one out of 2 for Mars)
Now you ask what about the other 5?

So, in 5561BCE, three verses relating to Mercury alone and one relating to Mercury along with three grahas is present. One verse on Venus.
This is the 5 remaining observations of the 22.
Then I will come to Sun, Moon together and with others. Vaha bhi 5561BCE fail hai.

The verses relating to Mercury alone don’t show ANY position of Mercury. As far as the Tiryak rising of Mercury, I can show it in virtually every year. Anybody can!!

Now the question arises:
What of the 9+ observations related to the Sun and the Moon ?
Out of these 2 are on a seven graha blazing conjunction excluding Sun and Moon.
But we know that planets are only 5. So what do you think?

Well, if I told you that for example there is a 7 blazing graha conjunction going on (implying that it’s visible) BUT claimed that I can see Uranus, Neptune and Pluto with my eyes as part of 7 grahas ... then what will you say?
A: You will tell me to get my eyes tested na?

This is the so called corroborated 7 graha conjunction of 5561BCE happening twice which needs Uranus, Neptune etc as part of them hypothesis.
Is it realistic?
A: Obvious answer is no.
2 more observations debunked.

What remains in the 9+ observations is the Solar and lunar eclipses and the two eclipses in a short fortnight of 13 days.
BUT are you people aware when these eclipses happen according to the text? Before the war or during the war?

Guess what blunder happened in 5551BCE dating?

Vyasa meets Dhritarastra and explains about the eclipses which have occured BEFORE THE WAR!!!
Do you realise what massive blunder has occurred in 5561BCE?
The eclipses are during the war in 5561BCE !

Now let’s come to the famous table on Moonphase data on the war which shows you the blunders which happened in taking analogies NOT observations of the sky into account.
You know the absurdities here already!!

Now, you all know that the war cannot occur on an Amavasya already from my paper below.
THAT MEANS to hammer home my point, you understand THAT Solar eclipse CANNOT occur on first day of the war!! (5561BCE debunked) https://www.academia.edu/40920097/Why_The_Mahabharata_War_Cannot_Start_On_An_Amavasya_Part_2_Actual_MoonRise_Data_from_the_14th_night_of_the_war

Why The Mahabharata War Cannot Start On An Amavasya: Part 2 Actual MoonRise Data from the 14th...

We have previously shown how at least 15 verses from the 18 days of the Mahabharata war presented elsewhere by other researchers as full Moon data in support of their theories were not actual...

https://www.academia.edu/40920097/Why_The_Mahabharata_War_Cannot_Start_On_An_Amavasya_Part_2_Actual_MoonRise_Data_from_the_14th_night_of_the_war

So amongst your 31+ observations on planetary positions, what survives? Most of them are NOT Corroborated!!
Aur batau?

Now the question arises: What about this business of “Sanjaya narrating to Dhritarastra the Gita after Bhisma falls on the 10th day”
It’s Sanjay Gita.
The actual Bhagwad Gita is Margashirsha Shukla Ekadashi after which war starts NOT on Kartika Amavasya!!

Heard a brand new theory today for 5561BCE:
Check out.
According to this theory war starts on “Kartika Amavasya
BUT BUT
Gita Jayanti is on 10th day of war (“ which surprise surprise jumps to next lunar month Margashirsha Shukla Ekadashi.

Matlab:
In 5561BCE, Kartika mahiney main war, Margashirsha main Gita!
Justified? I am amazed. Now Gita delivered 1 month after the war?

Nilesh Oak’s thesis for 5561BCE is based on
1. Kartika Amavasya start to war
2. Adhika Masa to explain 10/11 pre war observations
3. Moon phase data to explain last 7 days of war
4. Conjecture of dust storm covering early Moon rise.
5. Bhisma Asta Navatee conjecture

I have now disproved each one of these points in great detail.
Point 1 in particular is covered in great detail where he makes the conjecture of a dust storm covering an earlier Moonrise. Disproved. https://www.academia.edu/40920097/Why_The_Mahabharata_War_Cannot_Start_On_An_Amavasya_Part_2_Actual_MoonRise_Data_from_the_14th_night_of_the_war

Why The Mahabharata War Cannot Start On An Amavasya: Part 2 Actual MoonRise Data from the 14th...

We have previously shown how at least 15 verses from the 18 days of the Mahabharata war presented elsewhere by other researchers as full Moon data in support of their theories were not actual...

https://www.academia.edu/40920097/Why_The_Mahabharata_War_Cannot_Start_On_An_Amavasya_Part_2_Actual_MoonRise_Data_from_the_14th_night_of_the_war

Point 2 was the Adhika Masa claimed by him on various pages of his book including his table. I have disproved this completely. Check

https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1190816403517005824?s=21 https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1190816403517005824

https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1190816403517005824?s=21

Point 3 was the detail I have shown in 5561BCE Moonphase data which turned out was NOT Moonphase data at all BUT analogies and absurdities!

Check

Point 4 is the conjecture of the dust storm he uses to cover the late Moonrise on 14th day of war.
I have smashed this completely.
Not only did NO such dust storm take place, I proved that it was a waning phase Moonrise in my paper above. Do read. First time observation by anyone

The Error Elimination experiments he conducted for each of these were a complete failure BECAUSE he identified NO error, so how could he eliminate it!

Check

The Error Elimination experiments he conducted for each of these were a complete failure BECAUSE he identified NO error, so how could he eliminate it!Check

The Moonphase Error Elimination experiments deserved a special table of their own.

The Moonphase Error Elimination experiments deserved a special table of their own.

Finally the Asta Navatee (98 day) conjecture made for Bhisma Asthami is smashed completely.
I won’t reveal the 20 more blunders he made till the debate. But check Bhisma’s words and think. A free coffee to anyone who can think of what big blunder happened!!

Check the other reference to Bhisma Astami.

Shanti Parva Yudhisthira’s words.
What is the secret hidden in last 2 slides?

There are many more mistakes made in 5561BCE research. I will point out the references and the mistakes later. These itself prove that 5561BCE cannot be the date of the war.

The anniversary to Gita Jayanti on Margashirsha Shukla Ekadashi approaches soon:
Our robust and comprehensive claim for 3067BCE includes all of these below

To read the entire thesis on FB, check
https://www.facebook.com/1157869501/posts/10222028488918777?d=n&sfns=mo

5561BCE thesis: Can’t make this up
You now have an analogy of a full Moon at Chaitra masa(Error experiment 38) on the 12th day of the war (In Kartika/Margashirsha) along with an analogy of a full Moon at Vishakha on the 16th day of the war..... all within a space of just 4 days.

Now the question arises, what about the entire timeline which is being shown by Oak for 5561BCE? On how many parameters does each of these timelines fail and by how much?

You saw the 70+ Error Elimination experiments done for 5561BCE. I showed you how these have failed miserably in eliminating any errors in preceding tweets. Nearly every set of observations should lead to a conclusion. But what if you take the wrong conclusion every time?

Previously we showed how two TL’s of war reversed on 5561BCE. (War n eclipses) Now we come to another reversed timeline in 5561BCE contrary to textual epic reference of Shalya Parva. From pp122 and 123 of Nilesh Oak’s own book.
Balarama’s pilgrimage Nakshatras reversed as well.

There are numerous other timeline errors made in 5561BCE, which are somewhat more subtle but with even greater impact.. but come to my workshop and I will show you those too.
NO other date other than 3067BCE fits all the references and Moon phase data.

Let me repeat. It’s my open challenge to any researcher to come and debate astronomy of Mahabharata with me, unedited and on camera.
Bring it on.

https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1196841359224770560?s=21 https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1196841359224770560

https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1196841359224770560?s=21

By the way, I can corroborate every timeline of Mahabharata exactly in 3067BCE. Precise time lines corroboration.

Now, there is a claim on Bhisma Nirvana on pp 131/132 of Oak’s book on “Dating the Mahabharata war.”
Come to my workshop tomorrow to find out exactly how I corroborated each of his 5 conditions listed therein (after correction of just 1) in 3067 BCE.

Come to my workshop tomorrow to find out exactly what the mistakes are in every other bit of research on the Mahabharata war except in 3067BCE.
What makes the timeline of 3067BCE so perfect? What’s so unique in it.
Come to Gita Bhavan tomorrow.

Distributed another 70 or so books free.
This time I was asked to autograph the books!!!
Thanks for turning out in large numbers!
More workshops and talks are coming!

A piece of research confirms Out of India theory.
The arrival of Indians in 2217BCE in Australia ( along with Indian wild dogs)...
This is just about 800 years post the Mahabharata war of 3067BCE.
South Indian travellers in boats (more evidence follows)
https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/australia/four-thousand-years-ago-indians-landed-in-australia.aspx

I looked at this in 2007/8.
The reasoning of researchers is flawed: they still think in Indus Valley terms. Not true.
This reasoning is not correct BUT that they got to Australia is 100% and safely enough to be found in DNA.
Why 2127BCE? Why 800 years after MBH war? I will reveal

In fact, Umesh Kumawat had asked me this question in 2009 (Mumbai) and I had revealed it then BUT unfortunately that evening there was a political situation (Jaswant Singh I think) and they cancelled the show. Otherwise lot of people would know why today.

Before that I would like to show what “tad-jod” other Mahabharata researchers did with dating the epic...

Ok. So, now we come to the so called “revolutionary theory of Vakri motion”.
Please note that apart from a few people who don’t know Astronomy, nobody else accepts it as true. Why?
We demolished it long ago, if you wish to read

https://astronomyofindia.wordpress.com/2019/09/08/a-complete-rebuttal-of-oaks-revolutionary-theory-of-vakra-motion/

A Complete Rebuttal of Oak’s “revolutionary theory of Vakra motion”.

by Dr Narahari Achar (edited by Dr Manish Pandit) Oak’s revolutionary theory of Vakra motion. Summary: For those who can’t understand astronomy: Genuine Retrograde motion is the situation where the…

https://astronomyofindia.wordpress.com/2019/09/08/a-complete-rebuttal-of-oaks-revolutionary-theory-of-vakra-motion/

Here is what genuine Retrograde motion looks like:
Inner and outer planets have a different definition of “Vakri” gati.
This is an ephemeris page from 1/5/2020 showing three planets in Direct gati starting Vakra gati. Basic jyotishi gyan. R shows retro

GENUINE Retrograde motion for an observer of the skies is something reasonably observed.
A loop is seen described in the sky for someone mapping it:
Mars is retrograde between 11 Feb to about 1 Apr.
5561 BCE and exhibits a spectacular loop seen in the star map.

CONTRAST with :
Mars’s orbit is inclined to the ecliptic at about 1.85°. When Mars crosses the ecliptic on June 4, 5561, it is at a oblique angle because of the inclination and it is hardly noticeable and shows no deviation from normality (as opposed to the retrograde loop)

Furthermore, Mars crosses the ecliptic in the future on 24 Apr. 5560 BCE, but the Sun is at exactly the same location and neither Mars nor its oblique crossing can be seen.

NO Jyotishi/Astronomy would ever consider this as Vakri gati. So it’s not revolutionary and not true!!

If I were to show you this sort of crossing the ecliptic motion in the sky (remember ecliptic is seen as a line in software but there is no line in the sky to show ecliptic in real life

)
YOU would ask me to spend my life doing better things.

All astrologers and astronomers on my TL and on Twitter, do present this “revolutionary theory “ to your astronomy department or Jyotisha department and see the magic of laughter on people’s faces.

So to make things clearer:
Here are the two points clearly shown:
A: Where the real Vakri motion happens in 5561BCE in Yellow Arrow
B: Where Oak’s “revolutionary Vakri” motion of crossing the ecliptic (Red Arrow)
is shown.
You decide. Is B noticeable?
Is it “Vakri motion?”

So, what after the debacle on Moonphase data of the last 7 days of the war in 5561BCE shown below, what about the data on seasons?
Was it observed or were there more analogies to prop it up?

So, what after the debacle on Moonphase data of the last 7 days of the war in 5561BCE shown below, what about the data on seasons?Was it observed or were there more analogies to prop it up?,

So.... I have completely disproven the internal hypothesis of 5561BCE, but some of you may be wondering about the Rtus in the 5561BCE hypothesis... more analogies or what?!!!
Will show these too.

So here is a short film illustrating the difference between real Vakra motion in the first few seconds of the short film from Capricorn to Sagittarius (occurred in 2018) followed by so called false “Vakra” ie. crossing ecliptic obliquely which is barely noticeable.

You can see the real Vakra/retrograde motion of Mars in the first few seconds of the short film which is accepted by astronomers being corroborated in the panchang/ephemeris as signification R and then the not noticeable crossing ecliptic which occurred at 24 seconds.

Can anybody on Twitter point out the most obvious glaring hole in Oak’s so called “revolutionary vakra” theory of crossing the ecliptic obliquely?
Anyone who can see the obvious beyond what I have just shown you?

Mars (Crown Prince in Jyotisha) Retrograde motion in 2001 similar to the retrograde motion of Mars though not identical, during 3067BCE near Antares/Jyestha.
This occurs at exactly the same time as the massacre of the Royal family of Nepal in June 2001.

Mars is the Prince of Jyotisha and here the eerie parallel between the Crown Prince of Nepal who murdered his own smiley and Duryodhan, the Prince of the Kauravas who was eventually responsible for the death of his own Kuru race can not be ignored.

Best viewed on a desktop.

So, my next comprehensive short film which shows exactly why the War cannot start on an Amavasya.
This lasts 5 mins with a VO and is different to the previous short film.
Chapter 159 Verse explained in detail from Drona Parva:

Important to realise that 5561BCE was Vartak’s theory originally and has come out in Swayambhu mag in Pune in detail... all it’s glaring mistakes are well known to Punekars...

Now, that you know that the Mahabharata war cannot start on an Amavasya, then the first day of the war cannot be a solar eclipse, (corollary is that 14/15 day cannot be a lunar eclipse)
My detailed paper!!

https://www.academia.edu/40920097/Why_The_Mahabharata_War_Cannot_Start_On_An_Amavasya_Part_2_Actual_MoonRise_Data_from_the_14th_night_of_the_war

Why The Mahabharata War Cannot Start On An Amavasya: Part 2 Actual MoonRise Data from the 14th...

We have previously shown how at least 15 verses from the 18 days of the Mahabharata war presented elsewhere by other researchers as full Moon data in support of their theories were not actual...

https://www.academia.edu/40920097/Why_The_Mahabharata_War_Cannot_Start_On_An_Amavasya_Part_2_Actual_MoonRise_Data_from_the_14th_night_of_the_war

Some of the best insights and refinements of the 3067BCE theory came in the last 3 months since November and just before and after I took the second Birmingham workshop.
How the 4 timelines fit exactly and why and how no other research can reproduce this will be shown today.

Some of this, I showed yesterday in the debate, but I had 120 slides and so missed 80 slides out which I will show today and tomorrow evening.
As many saw last evening, this is not the 3067BCE theory you knew even upto 6 months ago. 5 more papers will be uploaded soon.

All events of Mahabharata which you can ever think about are corroborated in 3067BCE. I also could not show 5561BCE/1198BCE/3138BCE/3139BCE/2449BCE/3137BCE/3143BCE debunking completely. Another 40 slides on this too are pending. Today will attempt to show bright ppl how to do it.

Many things struck me in a flash only just around that second workshop in Birmingham as many of you who attended it know.
The Adhika Masa direct observation calculation will be shown as well for those in any confusion. AV observation video will be shown today on campus!!

Time permitting, I will simulate the AV observation in real time on my laptop on the software on campus.
Let me show you the AV observation in different centuries!

What do top American Astronomy Universities say about AV observation? See what they say from last 80 years to present.
( Alcor Arundhati can’t go ahead of Mizar/Vasistha in terms of real motion.)

This by the way is the phone number for Dr Achar’s book.
For further refinements to the 3067BCE thesis by me which corroborate timelines of the war, Balarama’s pilgrimage and pre war, you can find already published papers on Academia and further 4 papers will be up in few days.

The refinements already published by me include:
1. Saturn’s positions.
2. Separation of comets from planetary data: scientific method.
3. War Timeline based on 14th and 18th day of the war and reverse counts from that to Balarama’s pilgrimage and war day 1.
4. Bhisma Moksha

The last two of those have been seen by you at the Birmingham workshop number 2. They will be uploaded for masses soon.

You see the slide which I showed then.

2 hour talk on Mahabharata at IIT Kanpur just completed.
War cannot start on an Amavasya!! Humongous turnout.
3067BCE is the unique date of the war.

Next talk tomorrow!!

Teaching students at IIT Kanpur now post talk at hostel!! 3067BCE why and how!!

Learn about my Tri-Pushya theory of the timelines of the Mahabharata war by attending my workshop.
We will join
Duryodhan’s rejection of mission of peace - 1st day Balarama’s pilgrimage - exact day of war timeline +

We teach you the unique methodology of making sure that Tithi and Nakshatra are both adhered to joining:
Mission of peace- 1st day to Jyestha Amavasya
Balarama’s Pilgrimage- Pushya to Shravana 42 days
War Timeline- fix 18th day with end of Balarama’s Pilgrimage

Talk in Lucknow last night went very well. I am very grateful to the esteemed DGP Vigilance and RKS sahab for giving me the opportunity to explain and teach the entire corroboration of the 4 timelines of the Mahabharata war using Tri Pushya theory and fixing 18th day of the war.

BTW Guess what!!

Although the Gregorian calendar says 27th January 2020, we are ancient:
28th Kaliyuga
Mahabharata Samvat 5087
Dhanistha Nakshatra Moon,
Shravana Sun

Ok. I am available to debate Mahabharata war on any public forum (time permitting) if any more researchers wish to fight against perhaps the most perfect war theory of 3067BCE for the Mahabharata.
Any JNU/Left/Thapar/Trushke/ types are also welcome.
Aavahana. US/India/UK

The format will be:
Stage 1: 50 minutes to present your theory each.
Stage 2: 30 minutes to present opponents faults.(There are so many points na)
Stage 3: 30 minutes to present your side.
Stage 4: Short summary.
Astronomy only.

BTW, did you know that there is an accurate software which shows Adhika Masa and which particular Adhika masa and what sequence and which year it occurred in along with names of the year according to actual rules?

this is going to be fun.

And I will explain something which most people who look at these things have not really realised. Is Adhika Masa postulated as necessary for the 3067BCE theory of the war? Or is it essential to the 5561BCE theory of war?

So, the entire theory of “Ad hoc conjecture” of the Adhika Masa of 5661BCE (-5560 in software) right upto Feb/March 5560BCE (-5559 in software) is blown apart:
Slide 1:
Jan to June 5561BCE: No Adhika masa

“Ad hoc conjecture” of the Adhika Masa of 5661BCE (-5560 in software) right upto Feb/March 5560BCE (-5559 in software) is blown apart:
Slide 2:
Most important July to September 5561BCE: No Adhika masa

So, the entire theory of “Ad hoc conjecture” of the Adhika Masa of 5661BCE (-5560 in software) right upto Feb/March 5560BCE (-5559 in software) is blown apart:
Slide 3
Oct 5561BCE to March 12th 5560BCE No Adhika masa

Now, check:
Where were the conjectured Adhika Masas of 5561 BCE?
These had to be present in August to October 5561BCE time frame
They are Absent!! All Jyotishis happens on my TL can corroborate my statement. Free software!!

Does anybody want to see where the actual Adhika Masa occurs and it’s not in 5561BCE AT ALL!!!!!

See, the fun!! The ad hoc conjecture is taken to explain Balarama’s pilgrimage!! This means that in 5561BCE, Balarama’s pilgrimage is imaginary!!

I have now repeated the calculations for every possible option Amanta/Suklanta/Tropical/Sidereal etc etc.
Definitely no Adhika Masa in 5561BCE and upto March 12th 5560BCE.
All Jyotishis on my TL can repeat this calculation free of charge (enter -5560 in the calculator) and check.

Direct observation of New Moons and Full Moons is a somewhat different method used (my Fav) where Equinox to Equinox calculation is required. Even with that, we see 12 New Moons and 13 Full Moons but no 13th New Moon from 5561 Equinox to 5560 Equinox.
No Adhika Masa again.

Many people have asked me to point out the major discrepancies in other dates proposed for the Mahabharata war like I have with 5561BCE.
Here are a brief series of snapshots on impossibilities of 3139BCE:
1. Saturn is not at Rohini but at Jyestha (Antares).

Here are a brief series of snapshots on impossibilities of 3139BCE contd.
2. The penumbral lunar eclipses take place at Pisces and Aries (Ashwini) and not a single eclipse at the position which is required by the epic ie. Kartika Purnima.
A: Lunar eclipse 1

2. Contd. debunking 3139BCE
The penumbral lunar eclipses take place at Pisces and Aries (Ashwini) and not a single eclipse at the position which is required by the epic ie. Kartika Purnima.
B: Lunar eclipse 2

+ debunking 3139BCE:
3. Mars is not retrograde in the year of the war from Jan 3139BCE to the November timeframe.
4. Full Moon on the 12th of Jan the following year is followed by Winter Solstice which makes Bhisma Moksha in Krishna paksha which is an impossibility.

Bhisma Moksha is impossible, Most Importantly as it has no chance of being at Rohini but can only be around 180 degrees away at Anuradha/ Jyestha AND in the waning phase of the Moon (following Winter solstice)
This debunks 3139 BCE.

Right. Alcor (Arundhati) going ahead of Mizar (Vasistha) has been considered as an epoch by some. Is it true?
Arundhati keeps Vasistha on her back, goes ahead of Vasistha every year in June, July August. No Epoch!! Don’t believe me? Check video.

Despite my at times harsh criticism of @NileshOak ‘s methodology/dating #, it must be said that without his challenge to me for a debate, I would never have picked up this amount of knowledge on Astronomy of the Mahabharata and other matters, enough to now teach others.

My somewhat longer criticism of blunders committed if one takes 3139BCE as a date (which was proposed by traditionalists) is here:
https://www.facebook.com/1157869501/posts/10222588290913477/?d=n

Here is a huge problem which plagues majority of Mahabharata researches except 3067BCE.
Balrama misses the Gada Yuddha and arrives 6 days after the war ends if one assumes 3139BCE to be the date of the war. https://astronomyofindia.wordpress.com/2020/01/31/why-3139bce-is-an-impossible-date-for-the-mahabharata-war-1-balarama-misses-gada-yuddha/

Why 3139BCE is an impossible date for the Mahabharata war -1 Balarama misses Gada Yuddha

According to the 3139BCE timeline, Balarama’s pilgrimage which must start on Pushya and after the Amavasya mentioned in Udyoga140:18 which should be at Jyestha but is instead at Chitra….. all…

https://astronomyofindia.wordpress.com/2020/01/31/why-3139bce-is-an-impossible-date-for-the-mahabharata-war-1-balarama-misses-gada-yuddha/

In fact this problem plagued Srinivas Raghavan’s 3067BCE research also. But I have solved this last year and presented this at my December workshop. You may have seen it if you attended the workshop (or the debate, where it was one of my slides fixing 18th day of war).

Today is Mahabharat Samvat 5087
In 3066BCE, this Tithi arrives on the 16/17th Jan and is the time just before the Sun will make its Northward journey in the sky which occurs 3 days AFTER winter solstice. No other research except 3067BCE can show this.

Every other researcher falsely assumed that the day of Winter Solstice/Uttarayana or the day after.... was the day of Bhisma’s departure.
They ignored the most crucial clues and verses which showed that this cannot be the case. Those at debate know this:)

Further more, using Karl Popper’s terminology, 3066BCE passing of Bhisma is one of the best falsifiers for all other dates of the Mahabharata war.
Why?
Rohini nakshatra has to arrive on 4th/5th day after Uttarayan on Shukla Astami. Try reproducing this in any other year proposed!

Why is it the 4th/5th day after Winter Solstice? Why not the first day after?

Kabhi socha kisiney?

I have just written a paper debunking 3143BCE too. Here, the timelines are too difficult to match for the poor researchers who tried it. Will publish as part of my book soon.

Debunked 3138BCE as well. Abstract done in the new book.

Most of the book is done.
Now to figure out format and various other things.
How to make something free on Kindle , etc.

Discovered another massive mistake in 5561BCE war and pilgrimage timeline.
The solar eclipse of 1st day of war (which is invisible from Kurukshetra and only seen from Antarctica is on Oct 17th NOT 16th Oct)

Last day of war in 5561 now 3rd Nov.
See the fun.

What does it mean?
It means that:
Last day of war in 5561 now 3rd Nov which should be Pushya Nakshatra according to Oak’s timeline is now Ashlesha. Wrong calculations by him.

In any case, the original 18th day of the war (2nd Nov 5561) shows that Pushya Nakshatra was over by 12:30 pm.
So that Ashlesha is going on in the evening when Balarama’s return was theorised by Oak/Vartak in any case.
Fail!

More important, 24 hr mistake in calculations. His solar eclipse is actually at 6am morning of 17th Oct 5561. 24 hr mistake in calculations can’t be forgiven.
Whole war timeline is wrong now. 12th day becomes 11th, 17th becomes 16th, 18th becomes 17th day..

Those who have Jhora free software can look at it:
Enter: 17th Oct -5560 (ie 5561BCE entry) and Julian year (change from Gregorian year) with Drik Siddhanta (don’t change setting, it’s already on that)
Thanesar/Delhi and click “Rest of the world”
Check for yourselves the blunder

Now some of you die hard 5561BCE fans will still say: No we don’t believe it’s 17th Oct!!
For all such, here is the Swiss ephemeris file shot:
It says 17th Oct 5561BCE (-5560) AND time in UMT is 00:48 hrs
ie: 6 am in Kurukshetra just before sunrise (and not visible there

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Now some of you die hard 5561BCE fans will still say: No we don’t believe it’s 17th Oct!!For all such, here is the Swiss ephemeris file shot:It says 17th Oct 5561BCE (-5560) AND time in UMT is 00:48 hrs ie: 6 am in Kurukshetra just before sunrise (and not visible there )

A short film on the Rigorous conditions of Balarama’s pilgrimage and how it’s failed in nearly every year except 3067BCE (this gives 5561BCE mistakes)

Alcor ahead of Mizar in August, September, October in 1000 AD.
Therefore no Epoch at all!!

Alcor ahead of Mizar in August, September, October in 101BCE.
Therefore no Epoch at all!!

Alcor ahead of Mizar in June, July and August, in 1000 BCE.
Therefore no Epoch at all!!

Now best part about Arundhati Vasistha observation: It’s in the wrong era.
This is adapted from Jijith ji ‘s slide on the same:

Now, let’s show even more instances of AV observation: Arundhati ahead of Vasistha in April BUT Vasistha ahead of Arundhati in September 1207BCE:
Can it be an Epoch?!

No way.

Now, let’s show even more instances of AV observation: Arundhati ahead of Vasistha in April BUT Vasistha ahead of Arundhati in September 1207BCE:Can it be an Epoch?! No way.

In this video:
The thin yellow line is the ecliptic.
The Moon is shown crossing the ecliptic: this wrongly qualifies as “Vakri” in Shri Oak’s hypothesis.
Reverse motion also shown afterwards for clarity.
Can Moon ever go “Vakri”?
Has any astrology treatise mentioned it ever?

Please present this “Vakri” theory in astronomy classes in the world and see the reaction. https://astronomyofindia.wordpress.com/2020/02/17/the-blunder-inherent-in-shri-oaks-vakri-motion-theory/

The blunder inherent in Shri Oak’s Vakri motion theory

A lot of people have implicit belief in a new theory of “Vakri” motion proposed by Shri Oak. According to this “revolutionary” theory, any planet only needs to cross the ecliptic to be called Vakri…

https://astronomyofindia.wordpress.com/2020/02/17/the-blunder-inherent-in-shri-oaks-vakri-motion-theory/

Arundhati Alcor is ahead of Mizar in three different years 1067BCE, 2067BCE and 3067BCE at sunrise separated by 1000 year gaps:
There is NO EPOCH :

So, now we come to how a large majority of the Mahabharata researchers mistakenly took these two grahas( in the shlokas 3:24 and 3:25 of Bhisma Parva) to be planets: I ask you, can Jupiter and Saturn have shikhas/tails or obscure/hide the Saptarishis in the sky?

What about the Tivra graha mentioned in The second verse Bhisma Parva 3:26 below:
In 5561BCE, this graha is called Pluto (which can’t be seen with the naked eye) and this Pluto... believe it or not... hides the Plaeides group of stars?
Is it ever possible?
Answer is no!!

Now we come to the context of the Arundhati Vasistha observation: Wjat are the verses before that verse?
Are they permanent or temporary/ omens?
Each verse before this is temporary/omen only.
Check

What about the verse after the Arundhati Vasistha observation?
Is that a temporary occurrence or a permanent occurrence?
Check that verse Bhisma: 2: 32
how long was Saturn at Rohini?:
Answer: less than a year

The second part of verse Bhisma 2:32 shows that the mark on the Moon was hidden:
Can that be permanent?
Ans: Impossible.

So... Arundhati Vasistha observation in actual fact is what?

1. A verse preceded by omens.
2. A verse followed by temporary phenomena/omens.
3. A phenomenon which happens every year in fact.
4. A phenomenon happening before sunrise few months a year 1100-3300BCE
It is NO Epoch

Only our modified 3067BCE theory can point out why Bhisma Moksha MUST occur either the 4th or the 5th day after Winter Solstice/Uttarayana: NOT before and NOT after.
Other researchers have falsely assumed this at +1 or on the day post Winter Solstice ( including 5561BCE): Wrong!

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