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dude with underage waifu profile pic: they're not real girls
me: gross
me: *is blocked*
famous authors: every fanfic is okay, even fanfics where there is sex with minors
me: gross
me: *is blocked*
me: gross
me: *is blocked*
famous authors: every fanfic is okay, even fanfics where there is sex with minors
me: gross
me: *is blocked*
here are some points other people have made that i won't take credit for:
1) if we say anything goes in fanfic that's a v white opinion bc racism is still bad
2) fanfic can be useful for trauma but that doesn't mean we can declare it's all okay just bc it helps a few ppl
1) if we say anything goes in fanfic that's a v white opinion bc racism is still bad
2) fanfic can be useful for trauma but that doesn't mean we can declare it's all okay just bc it helps a few ppl
additional points from me:
3) working through trauma doesn't have to be public
4) I don't think there's evidence to suggest fanfic harms minors esp if it's properly tagged. however, an adult writing minor sex with the aim of arousing themself or other adults is still not okay
3) working through trauma doesn't have to be public
4) I don't think there's evidence to suggest fanfic harms minors esp if it's properly tagged. however, an adult writing minor sex with the aim of arousing themself or other adults is still not okay
a famous author: all fanfic is okay because what next, ppl start saying LGBTQ fanfic isn't okay?
so this is a slippery slope argument, and it doesn't fly. LGBTQ people have been firmly and correctly drawing a line between LGBTQ content and allegations of pedophilia for decades.
so this is a slippery slope argument, and it doesn't fly. LGBTQ people have been firmly and correctly drawing a line between LGBTQ content and allegations of pedophilia for decades.
a famous author: we celebrate stuff with pedophilia in it if it's considered great literature, like Nabokov
Lolita should be on zero reading requirement lists, especially on lists for minor students?? Just like Huckleberry Finn?? Bc normalising these things to students is bad??
Lolita should be on zero reading requirement lists, especially on lists for minor students?? Just like Huckleberry Finn?? Bc normalising these things to students is bad??
a thread going around on twitter: fanfic is for experimentation! writing extreme things doesn't mean anything about the author!
if you write a ship fic about sex with minors bc it arouses you, you are aroused by the thought of minors in sexual situations.
if you write a ship fic about sex with minors bc it arouses you, you are aroused by the thought of minors in sexual situations.
various tweets, a blog post: there's no evidence that cp in fanfic causes real child abuse.
agreed, but there's a LOT of evidence that ppl who commit child abuse write cp into their fiction!
agreed, but there's a LOT of evidence that ppl who commit child abuse write cp into their fiction!
you know where i'm going with this: Marion Zimmer Bradley
remember how the SFF community as a whole was perfectly able to simultaneously believe MZB's daughter r.e. her accounting of her childhood and ALSO recognise that her statements about pansexuality were problematic?
remember how the SFF community as a whole was perfectly able to simultaneously believe MZB's daughter r.e. her accounting of her childhood and ALSO recognise that her statements about pansexuality were problematic?
remember that whole thing about deplatforming to reduce the influence of n*z*s and white s*pr*m*c*sts?
i am genuinely baffled why we can't at least MAKE THE ATTEMPT to deplatform cp in fiction
i am genuinely baffled why we can't at least MAKE THE ATTEMPT to deplatform cp in fiction
I'm sorry, I really need to come back to this "nobody criticises Nabokov or that scene in Stephen King's It" statement, because
like
where have you been
.
seriously have you not read any literary criticism ever, or
like
where have you been
.
seriously have you not read any literary criticism ever, or
"Mr. Nabokov, whose English vocabulary would astound the editors of the Oxford Dictionary, does not write cheap pornography. He writes highbrow pornography."
"Perhaps that is not his intention. Perhaps he thinks of his book as a satirical comedy and as an exploration of abnormal psychology. Nevertheless, "Lolita" is disgusting."
"Past the artistic danger line of madness is another even more fatal. It is where the particular mania is a perversion like Humbert's. To describe such a perversion with the pervert's enthusiasm without being disgusting is impossible. If Mr. Nabokov tried to do so he failed."
if you're wondering where i got that, it's from the original 1958 book review of "Lolita" in the FUCKING NEW YORK TIMES that is AVAILABLE TO READ ONLINE
lest you use these Orville Prescott quotes as evidence I'm some kind of purity testing pearl clutcher or whatever because Prescott was a notorious homophobe,
lmao
lmao
as for Stephen King, the scene in question has its own section on wikipedia
fanfiction is unjustly bashed in a lot of circles
this does not mean it's beyond reproach?????
this does not mean it's beyond reproach?????
you can write whatever you fucking want!
this doesn't mean you're immune from people saying "publishing this in whatever form is probably not okay, actually"
this doesn't mean you're immune from people saying "publishing this in whatever form is probably not okay, actually"
the rules are super easy.
here's one: stuff that is written by adults that includes minor sex for the purpose of arousal is bad
a lot of people are arguing that we shouldn't have those rules because determining which works of art they apply to is hard
here's one: stuff that is written by adults that includes minor sex for the purpose of arousal is bad
a lot of people are arguing that we shouldn't have those rules because determining which works of art they apply to is hard
"enforcing laws is a pain in the ass! we should live in TOTAL ANARCHY"
"being publicly critical of cp/rape drives it underground"
"don't punch n*z*s! it will turn more ppl into secret n*z*s :( "
"don't punch n*z*s! it will turn more ppl into secret n*z*s :( "
jesus christ okay
no i'm not going to fucking report anyone to authorities
1) all cats are babies
2) nothing illegal is happening
3) saying "this is not okay" != "this should be illegal"
no i'm not going to fucking report anyone to authorities
1) all cats are babies
2) nothing illegal is happening
3) saying "this is not okay" != "this should be illegal"
here's a much more concise than mine/very important thread. https://twitter.com/stichomancery/status/1198692193428529154
