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180 EUR / tCO2-eq = estimate of #ClimateCosts
by German Environment Agency @GermanEnvAgency "UmweltBundesAmt"
#airplane CO2: factor 2
#methane: factor 25
#N20: factor 298
https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/en/publikationen/methodological-convention-30-for-the-assessment-of">https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/en/publik... November 2018 page 8
by German Environment Agency @GermanEnvAgency "UmweltBundesAmt"
#airplane CO2: factor 2
#methane: factor 25
#N20: factor 298
https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/en/publikationen/methodological-convention-30-for-the-assessment-of">https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/en/publik... November 2018 page 8
Skeptical now, about 180€ per ton CO2-eq. #CO2price
I did an exercise today, figuring out what this #CO2tax would do with #MeatConsumption. Call it #meatTax or #meatCO2tax.
2 end results, depending on which organisation you ask about kgCO2-eq per 1kg beef.
See next tweets:
I did an exercise today, figuring out what this #CO2tax would do with #MeatConsumption. Call it #meatTax or #meatCO2tax.
2 end results, depending on which organisation you ask about kgCO2-eq per 1kg beef.
See next tweets:
at 67.8 kg CO2-eq / 1 kg beef ( http://FAO.org"> http://FAO.org @FAO)
180 can lead to 33%-50% less meat purchases for the same budget (under ideal circumstances): https://twitter.com/drandreaskruger/status/1159491913256509440">https://twitter.com/drandreas...
180 can lead to 33%-50% less meat purchases for the same budget (under ideal circumstances): https://twitter.com/drandreaskruger/status/1159491913256509440">https://twitter.com/drandreas...
at 13.3 kg CO2-eq / 1 kg beef ( http://BMU.de"> http://BMU.de @BMU)
180 can lead to 8%-20% less meat purchased for the same budget (under ideal circumstances): https://twitter.com/drandreaskruger/status/1159574754602496011">https://twitter.com/drandreas...
180 can lead to 8%-20% less meat purchased for the same budget (under ideal circumstances): https://twitter.com/drandreaskruger/status/1159574754602496011">https://twitter.com/drandreas...
Note that "under ideal circumstances" won& #39;t happen as some customers
* buy cheaper meat
* move money from other topics to meat
* are too rich to bother
So the average meat consumption will NOT be reduced by 33%-50% or by 8%-20%.
But even if it did ...
* buy cheaper meat
* move money from other topics to meat
* are too rich to bother
So the average meat consumption will NOT be reduced by 33%-50% or by 8%-20%.
But even if it did ...
Note that the factor 2-5 in the #EmissionIntensity estimates (67.8 versus 25.0 versus 13.3 kg CO2-eq per 1 kg beef product) seems to come from:
* (meat) versus (dairy+meat) animals
* world versus German averages
* reasons yet unknown to me
But even if we take the highest ...
* (meat) versus (dairy+meat) animals
* world versus German averages
* reasons yet unknown to me
But even if we take the highest ...
#WorldOvershootDay has just taught us that Germany (and Israel) overshot the carrying capacity of Earth on May 3rd. See http://footprintnetwork.org"> http://footprintnetwork.org . To move that date to the day of pure rationality, December 31st, we Germans must reduce overall consumption by 66.3%.
Not by 50%
Not by 33%.
Not by 20%. And
not by 8% which
* @BMU& #39;s 13.3 kgCO2eq/kg GermanBeef, with
* @GermanEnvAgency& #39;s 180€ / kgCO2eq damage,
* as #meatCO2tax on top of a 30€/kg beef price
would -under ideal circumstances- result in.
No.
But by 66.3%.
Not by 33%.
Not by 20%. And
not by 8% which
* @BMU& #39;s 13.3 kgCO2eq/kg GermanBeef, with
* @GermanEnvAgency& #39;s 180€ / kgCO2eq damage,
* as #meatCO2tax on top of a 30€/kg beef price
would -under ideal circumstances- result in.
No.
But by 66.3%.
https://twitter.com/drandreaskruger/status/1159109466706587648
Yes, it& #39;s good to instead cut down on plane flights, swap the car for public transport, share more buy less, (and start psychotherapy instead of anti-depressive consumption binges lol)
... but for simplicity, let& #39;s treat every sector equal:
Goal is to reduce food CO2eq by 66%.
... but for simplicity, let& #39;s treat every sector equal:
Goal is to reduce food CO2eq by 66%.
Long story short:
1) To reach 66.3% reduction by #CO2tax only,
2) treating FOOD sector equally,
3) assuming @FAO& #39;s (25 kgCO2eq/kgWorldBeef) & @BMU& #39;s (13.3 kgCO2eq/kgGermanBeef)
4) at only 20€/kg #Beef prior price
the 180€ would have to be at least
1574 - 2958 €/kgCO2eq
???
1) To reach 66.3% reduction by #CO2tax only,
2) treating FOOD sector equally,
3) assuming @FAO& #39;s (25 kgCO2eq/kgWorldBeef) & @BMU& #39;s (13.3 kgCO2eq/kgGermanBeef)
4) at only 20€/kg #Beef prior price
the 180€ would have to be at least
1574 - 2958 €/kgCO2eq
???
... and again only under ideal circumstances.
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Disclaimer: above tweets are only quick calculations, and might just be wrong! PLEASE you double check, it& #39;s very simple maths; also do more google searches, for different estimates of the input numbers. Thanks a lot.
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Disclaimer: above tweets are only quick calculations, and might just be wrong! PLEASE you double check, it& #39;s very simple maths; also do more google searches, for different estimates of the input numbers. Thanks a lot.
Who solves puzzle? Ideas:
* #CO2tax is 1 tool; additionally: quota p. person + some prohibition + new tech + ?
* @GermanEnvAgency mentions 180 but also 640€ costs per 1 ton CO2eq; help understand the reasoning
* #meat is worse than @BMU & @FAO says?? https://twitter.com/drandreaskruger/status/1159569942590738432">https://twitter.com/drandreas...
* #CO2tax is 1 tool; additionally: quota p. person + some prohibition + new tech + ?
* @GermanEnvAgency mentions 180 but also 640€ costs per 1 ton CO2eq; help understand the reasoning
* #meat is worse than @BMU & @FAO says?? https://twitter.com/drandreaskruger/status/1159569942590738432">https://twitter.com/drandreas...
See the new #meatCO2tax thread: https://twitter.com/drandreaskruger/status/1159963017574080519">https://twitter.com/drandreas...
> Skeptical about 180€ per ton CO2-eq
Here good pointers to dive into the debate about the #DiscountRate of
"1% pure rate of time preference"
which leads to 180€ not 640€ per 1 ton CO2
--> https://twitter.com/LucaBrunsch/status/1184569099764031489">https://twitter.com/LucaBruns...
Here good pointers to dive into the debate about the #DiscountRate of
"1% pure rate of time preference"
which leads to 180€ not 640€ per 1 ton CO2
--> https://twitter.com/LucaBrunsch/status/1184569099764031489">https://twitter.com/LucaBruns...
Current #Co2price worldwide ~2$ / tCO2 https://twitter.com/jasonhickel/status/1297790748721664001">https://twitter.com/jasonhick...
50 tCO2 ~ 1 human killed, approx.
Interesting thread: https://twitter.com/twibarth/status/1298669732716072961">https://twitter.com/twibarth/...
Interesting thread: https://twitter.com/twibarth/status/1298669732716072961">https://twitter.com/twibarth/...
