1/n Arya Ramakant,yes “Jati” is based on birth while “Varna” on Karma, rather occupation if I have to be plain.

I always chose not to speak about “Jati” or “Varna” but it’s from a priya Mitra like you hence giving my stand for @Hiranyareta ‘s thread too in string below. https://twitter.com/Ramakants44/status/1154778668968792064

2/n But b4 I go on to point out problems in @Hiranyareta ‘s thread I want to set few understandings correct right away.

Nowhere in any scripture,”Varna” has been defined as it being a birth based adherence. Like Purusa Sukta of RigVeda says Brahmin is mouth not “born”from mouth.

3/n Had Varna been birth based, the Purusha Sukta should have stated “Brahmins” are born from mouth of “Purusha” & “Shudra” from “legs”. Isn’t it so?

Can RigVeda be wrong?

This question is for those who claim “Varna” is birth based.

4/n Well people go on to quote examples for “Jati” & “Varna” being synonyms but where “Jatis” (as practiced) only 4 as Varnas?

To be precise “Jati” was “Kula”, “Clan” & “Tribe” based.

Like, Rajput, Baniya etc are Jatis. Even these are very recent inputs into Hindu system.

5/n But b4 I talk more about it, do those asserting the presence of “Jati Wyawastha in ancient era” as it exists today know about any primary use of word “Jati”?

Panini used it for “species” while Nyaya Sutra (1.2.18) talks of “Jati” as being born of same source.

6/n There are many other references for “Jati” in Ancient India’s literature but none as “how it exists today in our society”.

Isn’t it so that if “Vedas” & other Scriptures define”Varna” based on “Guna” or “Karma” then why not “Jati”?

Can someone quote a single reference?

7/n Coming back to 4/n , is there a single reference of all the “Jatis” that exist currently in any of the scripture? I know none but will feel free to be educated if needed for I’m not a “believer” but a “Seeker”.

8/n We must understand that “Jati Wyawastha” became subset of “Varna Wyawastha” as a tradition of practice, not of scripture.

Let me explain it clearly.

A child born to a “Brahmin” was natural to become “Brahmin” for various factors.

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9/n 1)Gene
2)The environment of household
3)Adore towards own things (here parents)

Have you wondered why it’s easy for a kid to become a Doctor or Architect if born to parent of such profession?

“Surface level History” came naturally to me as my father is a Historian.

10/n My father always explained things of life to me with Historical references. The books at my home were all for “History” & it became natural to me with time.

Same was the case in last too why Kshatriya’s son became Kshatriya & so on. Though exception exist(ed).

11/n With the continuation of family profession, people started living in groups of likes(read similar) & “Jaati” became set of various such subsets.

Moreover people even inhabited particular localities based in resource fir their profession. Like “Dhobis”stayed near waterbody.

12/n We live in complex web of “sets” & “subsets” relative to their virtue. For every other animal, “Human”comes under one “Jati”. For every Indian “firangi”at times becomes other “Jati”. For every Brahmin I’ll be a “Kayastha”while for every “Mathur” I’ll be “Srivastava” & so on.

13/n I recommend the commentators of “Jati” to read about “Principles of Human Settlement” to understand the phenomenon, should Academics be their interest.

@Ramakants44 Bandhu, every “Wyawastha” or “Bargain” comes with its pros & cons based on practice.

14/n Same happened with “Jati Wyawastha”. It never had bad intention for it was mere an organic phenomenon than a doctrine based imposition. But to “err” is human & it’s irrespective of one’s nationality.

With time, “Jati Wyawastha” turned oppressive.

15/n Service based profession (job of Shudra) became the subject to oppression of whom they served.

Not to deny that it magnified largely with arrival of Islamic Marauders who with themselves brought culture of oppression & various other evils of seeing female as low.

16/n Eventually for the nature of continuation of family profession, “Shudra Varna” had received subsets of same “Jatis” & they faced the heat of oppressors.

Then too it was oppression of “Weak” by “Powerful” & not based on Jati.

17/n Back then “weak” nature was unavoidable for the professional adjective. Since those engaged in “Shudra” profession has remained poorer because of family continuation they could never refute.

Though exceptions were there in past for flexibility of “Varna” & no “Jati System”

18/n Jati has proved fruitful too as it has helped in binding “Dharma” in few cases. I know Muslims in western belt of India who despite conversion do “Kula Devi/Devta” Puja on every pious occasion. They consider that marriage etc won’t be successful until Kul Devi is worshipped.

19/n Hence though “Jati” Wyawastha arose organically without scriptural prescription, it came with its own “good” & “bad”.

It’s upto us that with what force we pull the string, for it appears sacred, though it was just tied as a “social way forward”.

20/n Maybe life can go on without “string” too.

I mean, may be “Dharma” can be preserved without this string too. But I don’t know? Maybe I’m wrong but my senses don’t let me practice “Jati System”, for despite being “Kayastha” I don’t scribe but “make designs”.

21/n By the logic how “Jati” had come into play only “Architect” or “Vastuvid” is my “Jati”.

I beg pardon of defenders but my senses don’t let me blindly defy logic.

I left “Communism” b’coz it appeared “Dogmatic” & “Santana Dharma” rational+progressive.

22/n Now let me give feeds for @Hiranyareta ‘s thread where he makes highlight “Reply of Sanatani to AryaSamaji”. But I’m unsure if it was a reply by Sanatani as there are various errors abt Itihasas.

I request @Hiranyareta to not respond until thread reaches n/n. #SadarPranam

23/n Bandhu @Hiranyareta Ashwatthama wasn’t killed because he was one of the “Chiranjivees” not as this text claim for him to be “Brahmin”. I’m sure that u know the details

If that would have been case even “Dronacharya”shouldn’t hv been killed isn’t it? https://twitter.com/Hiranyareta/status/1154759930353725440?s=20

24/n And no one is claiming that “Jati” is based on “Guna”. Claim is for “Varna” hence it becomes useless to make such assertions as mentioned in this text. https://twitter.com/Hiranyareta/status/1154759930353725440?s=20