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“Ur just mad ‘cause ppl hate you for being into pedo/incest/abuse aren’t you lol”
I’m mad ‘cause yall think making rules/laws centered around morality is the solution to moral dilemmas when evidence suggests every “War On (Thing)” ultimately hurts the ppl most affected by Thing.
I’m mad ‘cause yall think making rules/laws centered around morality is the solution to moral dilemmas when evidence suggests every “War On (Thing)” ultimately hurts the ppl most affected by Thing.
“People shouldn’t do drugs. They’re addictive and harmful.” Yes, okay. That makes sense, but— “So we decided to ostracize those who struggle with this addiction instead of help them.” But what if they want help— “we’ll just shove ‘em in cages. They’ll learn eventually.” ..n-no..
This is literally the same for literally every single possible human issue ever. Making rules and laws that center around what people SHOULD be doing instead of what they NEED to be doing ultimately hurts the people who need your help the most.
Contrary to popular belief, fandom isn’t it’s own society. It is a symptom of the world we live in. Fandom (as we now know it) was started by women in the Star Trek fandom. Most of which wrote “fucked up” porn, especially by their era’s definition.
Fandom policing (specifically in adult spaces) has a deep history with censoring women’s art. Look at the gender/sexuality imbalance between which forums have been shut down/which sites have been censored. How often is it men’s circles? Hentai forums? Female feet threads?
How often do men’s spaces get broken up and forced to find refuge on other, less inclusive websites? Rarely does a website come under fire until a bunch of Rowdy Gross Women started acting (gasp) sexual.
Women and LGBT people have been fantasizing about rape and incest and pedophilia for generations - because we are the largest groups of people who are consistently exposed to these issues almost in a pattern. Want us to stop fantasizing about it? Fix the fucking system. NOT US.
I grew up hearing “1 in 4 women will be raped”. There was absolutely no way my adolescent puberty ass WASN’T going to fantasize about it. Every grown man I looked at when I was 8-13 years old had me thinking “what if it happened to me and he was the one who did it?”
The was no way those thoughts wouldn’t lead to “would I be okay with that? What would I do? Who would I tell? If I did tell, would that ruin my life? Would it break up my family? Would my family accept me anymore? How can I be okay with this idea?” This is not an exaggeration.
My first day at a new church, I was 8 years old. I know because i shared a birthday with the girl whose family invited us. My first thought when I met the pastor, as an 8 year old girl, was “I would probably not turn him in it if he touched me down there..“
I had heard about how many pastors were child molesters. About how many children were stuck in homes forced to partake in heinous sex crimes. I thought, ‘if it happened to me, who would I be okay with? Or even enjoy? Who can I not win against if I wasn’t?’ I was a child.
And as an adult, I can see those memories for what they really were: a cry for fucking help. My world is full of abusers and we hear about those awful things from the moment we learn to listen. They are unavoidable. Children these days are even more exposed to these horrors.
But fiction is an outlet. Even children can see fiction and recognize the freedom it possesses. It’s why I latched on so hard after leaving my abuser. It was the only outlet I had to express the sexuality I had stolen from me by the society who told me I couldn’t have one.
Not all fiction is created equal and implying all cartoon porn is totally safe is an argument only a fool would make. But again, and I cannot stress this enough: rules based on what people SHOULD be doing ultimately harms the people who need the most help.
“Well I don’t want people shipping fucked up stuff!” A noble cause, I’m sure. But real people are really suffering. And sometimes cartoons is the only way to get that suffering out and put it on someone else. Someone who doesn’t have feelings. It isn’t that hard to understand..
Also I don’t think antis realize that.. most CSA and other abuse victims.. we don’t think of ourselves as ‘ruined’ or ‘broken’ or ‘irreversibly damaged’. And it’s really harmful (and insulting) to think of us that way. We aren’t defined by what someone else did to us.
Anti’s act like the worst people in the world are abusers, but the reality is, the worst people in the world are people who won’t let people recover from abuse. Like.. there’s literally nothing more evil. I hate my abuser less than I hate people who imply I’m just like him.
There is a massive, huge, tremendous difference between fiction and reality. It may as well be a dif dimension in which paper/screens are the only window into. A dimension where consequences, fear, and pain exist on the creator’s terms. Perfect for some survivors’ recoveries.
But the way antis act, these cartoons may very well be real people who deserve proper respect. Where’s the respect I got when my abuser held me down at the side of the school so he could cum in my mouth before I even knew what cum was?
I should not have to respect the sanctity of a cartoon for someone else’s comfort if we, as a society, can’t respect each other enough to take care of one another. Had I had sex ed, or a nuanced concept of abuse, I wold have reached out before it got that bad.
I should never be expected to hold myself and my concept of sexuality up to an impossibly high standard that I was never set up to live to. I should be allowed to project every issue I have with myself and everyone around me into fake, unfeeling lines on paper.
Anti-shipping is anti-survivor, NOT anti-abuse. The ONLY things that have been proven to combat abuse, rape, incest, or pedophilia are: comprehensive sex ed, taking abuse/etc claims seriously, and to not force survivors to open up any more OR LESS than they feel comfortable.
Telling adult women, LGBT people, and recovering survivors what they should and shouldn’t be doing with other consenting adults does absolutely nothing to combat abuse. I also want to protect kids from ever having to go through what I went through.
But even to this day, we still dont have enough information on these issues. We spend so much time locking ppl away and isolating them from ourselves that we have no idea why they did what they did so we can spot the signs next time and prevent it from happening to someone else.
We can do better. But instead, we’re arguing over morality in cartoon porn. Focus on real issues. Kill the problem at the source, not the symptoms. We aren’t broken so don’t try to fix us. This topic is dead to me.
