Megathread | LOONAverse Origins: "X X" 
LOONA's debut with [Hi High] brought us what many thought was a closure to the LOONAverse. As new series of teasers now tell us there is more to the story, I want to share some of my thoughts on what we could expect next.
Let's dive in!

LOONA's debut with [Hi High] brought us what many thought was a closure to the LOONAverse. As new series of teasers now tell us there is more to the story, I want to share some of my thoughts on what we could expect next.
Let's dive in!
*Disclaimer*
Again, this is a compilation of thoughts I had from the teasers. My observations may not be all unique. As all theories go, we can never claim one is absolute. This thread will also be more predictive than analytical, Iâm hoping to make another thread after the MV!
Again, this is a compilation of thoughts I had from the teasers. My observations may not be all unique. As all theories go, we can never claim one is absolute. This thread will also be more predictive than analytical, Iâm hoping to make another thread after the MV!
This thread is also a continuation of my [Hi High] megathread from August.
For the full experience, I recommend a refresher of what I will now call âAct Iâ.
<Act I.> LOONAverse Complete: "Hi High"
https://twitter.com/caskerbox/status/1031772654343270401
For the full experience, I recommend a refresher of what I will now call âAct Iâ.
<Act I.> LOONAverse Complete: "Hi High"
https://twitter.com/caskerbox/status/1031772654343270401
After [Hi High], I wasnât too sure if LOONAverse would continue on.
[Hi High] gave us a âclosureâ, by breaking the Mobius and uniting LOONA.
But I still felt that we didnât get the full story.
And with the past couple teasers, itâs becoming clear that there is so much more.
[Hi High] gave us a âclosureâ, by breaking the Mobius and uniting LOONA.
But I still felt that we didnât get the full story.
And with the past couple teasers, itâs becoming clear that there is so much more.
I want to step outside the âtheory landâ and discuss BBCâs approach for a moment.
With such an intricate story, itâs easy to miss the big picture of the LOONAverse.
Although quite faint, I still believe the LOONAverse story unfolds in parallel to LOONAâs real lives and timeline.
With such an intricate story, itâs easy to miss the big picture of the LOONAverse.
Although quite faint, I still believe the LOONAverse story unfolds in parallel to LOONAâs real lives and timeline.
This is why I thought [Hi High] was an utterly perfect MV and concept to show the âcompletionâ of LOONA as a full group.
And now that LOONA has debuted, we Orbits long to learn more about the members with each upcoming comebacks: where they come from and what they are like.
And now that LOONA has debuted, we Orbits long to learn more about the members with each upcoming comebacks: where they come from and what they are like.
How the creators are translating this next stage into the LOONAverse theme, I believe, is by giving us an âOrigin Story of LOONAâ.
And with that, let's jump into the LOONAverse and find out!
And with that, let's jump into the LOONAverse and find out!
The Contents:
CH 10. [X X]: Rewinding the LOONAverse
CH 11. [one]: Edenism
CH 12. [One & Only]: The Mystic Messenger
CH 13. [X1X]: The Origin
CH 14. [X11X]: The Real Butterfly Effect
CH 15. [Rosy]: The Hidden Message
CH 16. [Let Me In]: The Rescue Mission
EPILOGUE. & Beyond
CH 10. [X X]: Rewinding the LOONAverse
CH 11. [one]: Edenism
CH 12. [One & Only]: The Mystic Messenger
CH 13. [X1X]: The Origin
CH 14. [X11X]: The Real Butterfly Effect
CH 15. [Rosy]: The Hidden Message
CH 16. [Let Me In]: The Rescue Mission
EPILOGUE. & Beyond
CHAPTER 10. [ XX ]: Rewinding the LOONAverse
From [Vivid] to [Hi High], we saw the members coming together in a series of events to finally become "Complete".
From [Vivid] to [Hi High], we saw the members coming together in a series of events to finally become "Complete".
The LOONAverse timeline is complex and it's hard to say that we can lay it out accurately. I feel that there isnât enough information yet to do this.
But we can assume that most of the events took place in the âMobiusâ, until it was broken in [Hi High]. With a few exceptions.
But we can assume that most of the events took place in the âMobiusâ, until it was broken in [Hi High]. With a few exceptions.
The [XX] teaser in October was the first signal to the next âActâ of the LOONAverse.
In it we saw [Hi High] in reverse as if we were being taken back to the beginning of the story.
In it we saw [Hi High] in reverse as if we were being taken back to the beginning of the story.
Also, by going from adding [++] to multiplying [xx], we may be hinted that the stories will now âmultiplyâ to a much fuller and deeper extent rather than being âaddedâ together as seemingly unrelated puzzle pieces.
But rewound to which point?
But rewound to which point?
I believe there is this space that comes before the Mobius.
The Mobius has now been broken and time isnât bound by it anymore.
And so, I believe we are now being taken back beyond the boundaries of the Mobius. A whole new arc of the LOONAverse story.
This is how I depicted it.
The Mobius has now been broken and time isnât bound by it anymore.
And so, I believe we are now being taken back beyond the boundaries of the Mobius. A whole new arc of the LOONAverse story.
This is how I depicted it.
In [Hi High], I talked about themes of âgravityâ and âcompletionâ.
In where [XX] takes us to, itâs the opposite.
Many discussed themes like Chaos Theory or Butterfly Effect.
I might also call it the âBig Bangâ.
In where [XX] takes us to, itâs the opposite.
Many discussed themes like Chaos Theory or Butterfly Effect.
I might also call it the âBig Bangâ.
Itâs all similar ideas, but I think here we can find clues to the series of events that kick started the LOONAverse as we know it now.
CHAPTER 11. [one]: Edenism
Edenism is a very mysterious place.
We know it's highest realm between the three worlds.
It also unfolds the earliest.
In fact, I believe the events in Edenism took place prior to the Mobius.
So far, we've seen 3: [one & only], [one], and [love4eva].
Edenism is a very mysterious place.
We know it's highest realm between the three worlds.
It also unfolds the earliest.
In fact, I believe the events in Edenism took place prior to the Mobius.
So far, we've seen 3: [one & only], [one], and [love4eva].
The [one] teaser tells us that the yyxy girls are four but one.
We still donât fully know what that means.
"I am thou, thou art me" they say.
They seem to be closely connected, with one mission.
To leave Edenism. And do what?
We still donât fully know what that means.
"I am thou, thou art me" they say.
They seem to be closely connected, with one mission.
To leave Edenism. And do what?
I believe that yyxy members, whether innate or given, gained godlike powers from Edenism.
They are not complete in their powers, but something is surely different about them. Something transcendent to the human world.
Perhaps their mission is to be helpers of the human world.
They are not complete in their powers, but something is surely different about them. Something transcendent to the human world.
Perhaps their mission is to be helpers of the human world.
One of the themes digipedi uses to differentiate yyxy's "power" is âroyaltyâ.
Edenism is depicted by a palace in all three MVâs.
Imageries of chandeliers, crowns, gems, crystals also all refer to yyxyâs âroyalâ, beyond-Earth powers. (*Note the chandeliers, they'll be back)
Edenism is depicted by a palace in all three MVâs.
Imageries of chandeliers, crowns, gems, crystals also all refer to yyxyâs âroyalâ, beyond-Earth powers. (*Note the chandeliers, they'll be back)
CHAPTER 12. [one & only]: The Mystic Messenger
Iâve mentioned before Gowon is such an odd character in the LOONAverse.
I think that her MV, unlike [new], [heart attack], and [egoist] which takes place on Earth, takes place back in Edenism. https://twitter.com/caskerbox/status/1031932232963903489
Iâve mentioned before Gowon is such an odd character in the LOONAverse.
I think that her MV, unlike [new], [heart attack], and [egoist] which takes place on Earth, takes place back in Edenism. https://twitter.com/caskerbox/status/1031932232963903489
In it, we see the first theme of metamorphosis, as Gowon takes off her red cocoon veil and her hair turns blonde.
We also see Yves crowning Gowon, as if she was being charged with a mission.
We also see Yves crowning Gowon, as if she was being charged with a mission.
As Gowon leaves Edenism in [love4eva], she looks back at Olivia.
But what if she was also looking back at the palace?
Knowing the weight of what it meant to leave it.
This makes sense with Gowon as bringer of âhopeâ, whereas infatuated by âloveâ, Chuu didnât care to look back.
But what if she was also looking back at the palace?
Knowing the weight of what it meant to leave it.
This makes sense with Gowon as bringer of âhopeâ, whereas infatuated by âloveâ, Chuu didnât care to look back.
Another connection is that butterflies are pollinators.
They actually travel further than bees and help spread pollen to "bloom" various flowers.
In the same way, Gowon being a pollinator, was perhaps a perfect candidate Yves chose to deliver and help the girls on earth âbloomâ.
They actually travel further than bees and help spread pollen to "bloom" various flowers.
In the same way, Gowon being a pollinator, was perhaps a perfect candidate Yves chose to deliver and help the girls on earth âbloomâ.
Butterflies can also see colors that humans can not see.
This is in contrast to owls, who are colorblind and see in black and white.
Perhaps this why Kim Lip needed her odd eye in [Sweet Crazy Love] to finally see the world in full color. Who gave it to her? Will we find out�
This is in contrast to owls, who are colorblind and see in black and white.
Perhaps this why Kim Lip needed her odd eye in [Sweet Crazy Love] to finally see the world in full color. Who gave it to her? Will we find out�
CHAPTER 13. [X1X]: The Origin
Then we got the [X1X] teaser.
Many have already pointed out the theme of butterflies and Lipâs possible metamorphosis. Each member also had similar effects as their MVâs.
My general thought is itâs hard to read into it too much beyond that.
Then we got the [X1X] teaser.
Many have already pointed out the theme of butterflies and Lipâs possible metamorphosis. Each member also had similar effects as their MVâs.
My general thought is itâs hard to read into it too much beyond that.
The teaser being set mostly in black and white makes me think this could be set in the past.
Notice in both [X1X] and [X11X], you also hear a film projector rewinding back.
Weâve already seen videos like [Vivid] and [Sweet Crazy Love] where MV starts b&w and colors are âgainedâ.
Notice in both [X1X] and [X11X], you also hear a film projector rewinding back.
Weâve already seen videos like [Vivid] and [Sweet Crazy Love] where MV starts b&w and colors are âgainedâ.
CHAPTER 14. [X11X]: The Real Butterfly Effect
Then comes [X11X].
I originally wanted to wait until after MV to write a thread.
Predictive writing is much harder than analytical theories.
But after seeing how many clues [X11X] gave, I felt it was enough for a megathread.
Then comes [X11X].
I originally wanted to wait until after MV to write a thread.
Predictive writing is much harder than analytical theories.
But after seeing how many clues [X11X] gave, I felt it was enough for a megathread.
In <Act 1>, I discussed that there were many seeds planted in the LOONAverse that kick-started a Butterfly Effect, ultimately leading to LOONA's âcompletionâ.
What [X11X] now shows us is that there was a âfirst pollinatorâ of these seeds. https://twitter.com/caskerbox/status/1031939784732762112
What [X11X] now shows us is that there was a âfirst pollinatorâ of these seeds. https://twitter.com/caskerbox/status/1031939784732762112
This isnât the first time weâve seen yyxy members planting seeds into stories on Earth.
We already saw Gowon sending a "bracelet" to Hyunjin.
Someone sent a DNA "strand" keychain to ViVi.
All of these little things helped to create innate "connectionsâ between the girls.
We already saw Gowon sending a "bracelet" to Hyunjin.
Someone sent a DNA "strand" keychain to ViVi.
All of these little things helped to create innate "connectionsâ between the girls.
In a Korean drama called 'Goblin', there is a character named Deokhwa (played by BTOB Sungjae), who seems like a normal human character for most of the drama.
Only until near the end, it is revealed that he is actually a god, and was helping the people around him the whole time.
Only until near the end, it is revealed that he is actually a god, and was helping the people around him the whole time.
And after revealing his divine-ness, he turns into butterflies and disappears.
I feel that Gowon could be playing a similar role as "The Messenger".
I feel that Gowon could be playing a similar role as "The Messenger".
Let's jump into [X11X].
My thought is that [X11X] actually takes place âbeforeâ [Let Me In].
In the beginning, you see Gowon chasing a truck.
Immediately you can make connections to the yellow truck in [Let Me In].
However, I'm not sure if we can assume Haseul is in this truck.
My thought is that [X11X] actually takes place âbeforeâ [Let Me In].
In the beginning, you see Gowon chasing a truck.
Immediately you can make connections to the yellow truck in [Let Me In].
However, I'm not sure if we can assume Haseul is in this truck.
In fact, in [Let Me In], Haseul is always seen in the passengerâs seat.
As if she was being âtakenâ to her destinations.
Someone opens the door for her.
This same truck (yes not the exact same car modelâŠ) also appears in [Girl Front] before Choerry throws her paper airplane.
As if she was being âtakenâ to her destinations.
Someone opens the door for her.
This same truck (yes not the exact same car modelâŠ) also appears in [Girl Front] before Choerry throws her paper airplane.
Thereâs also a brief scene of a dreamcatcher as Gowon is running.
Some argue there is actually no dreamcatcher in [Let Me In], but instead just feathers.
Hard to tell, but note that a dreamcatcher has feathers but also often has a gem in the center.
Some argue there is actually no dreamcatcher in [Let Me In], but instead just feathers.
Hard to tell, but note that a dreamcatcher has feathers but also often has a gem in the center.
Then, we see a crucial scene of Gowon leaving behind herself.
The imagery of metamorphosis comes back, with Gowon taking off her coat as if a butterfly sheds its cocoon.
The imagery of metamorphosis comes back, with Gowon taking off her coat as if a butterfly sheds its cocoon.
Then as the music begins, Gowon finds the broken airplane.
My thought is the broken airplane symbolizes a failed rescue mission.
It is mechanical and old.
Gowon realizes itâs time for a new mission, more organic and complex this time.
My thought is the broken airplane symbolizes a failed rescue mission.
It is mechanical and old.
Gowon realizes itâs time for a new mission, more organic and complex this time.
Inside the plane, Gowon finds a feather.
After rewatching [Let Me In] numerous times, I think this could be old Haseulâs feather (I will call her Boyseul).
And ther, Gowon realizes who she needed to pass on the mission to.
After rewatching [Let Me In] numerous times, I think this could be old Haseulâs feather (I will call her Boyseul).
And ther, Gowon realizes who she needed to pass on the mission to.
As the messenger butterfly, Gowon acts as the âbridgeâ that connects the plane and the bird.
As she sends out the butterflies, she is calling Haseul here.
And consequently many more after her.
(Note there are 12 butterflies to be exact, creds to ©hyunjinsus for the find!)
As she sends out the butterflies, she is calling Haseul here.
And consequently many more after her.
(Note there are 12 butterflies to be exact, creds to ©hyunjinsus for the find!)
[X11X] teaser ends with âfljĂșga eins og fiĂ°rildiâ, meaning âfly like a butterflyâ.
The real Butterfly Effect is beginning.
The real Butterfly Effect is beginning.
Also this connection may have been hinted to us as early as [Sweet Crazy Love],
where the plane, the butterfly, and the bird, are seen in order.
Did Jinsoulâs odd eye just show her the future? âŠor is it the past?
where the plane, the butterfly, and the bird, are seen in order.
Did Jinsoulâs odd eye just show her the future? âŠor is it the past?
CHAPTER 15. [Rosy]: The Hidden Message
Before I jump to [Let Me In], I want to share a finding!
Itâs the lyrics to [Rosy], a B-side with Heejin, Gowon, and Olivia Hye.
The lyrics were written by Jaden himself, which made me wonder what clues may have been planted in the song.
Before I jump to [Let Me In], I want to share a finding!
Itâs the lyrics to [Rosy], a B-side with Heejin, Gowon, and Olivia Hye.
The lyrics were written by Jaden himself, which made me wonder what clues may have been planted in the song.
I am not first to make connections to Rosy.
During [love4eva], many pointed out the first part reminds of its story.
Lips biting red rose petals and âliving in the momentâ theme reminds us of the youthful escape from Edenism.
Ironically, this part is sung by Olivia, not Gowon.
During [love4eva], many pointed out the first part reminds of its story.
Lips biting red rose petals and âliving in the momentâ theme reminds us of the youthful escape from Edenism.
Ironically, this part is sung by Olivia, not Gowon.
The next part, reminds us of the next MV, [Hi High].
Subtle smiles and hand held out, and finally able to breathe and relaxâŠ
immediately reminds of the scene right before Olivia jumps off the diving boards at Yvesâ smile and gesture.
This time, it's sung by Gowon, not Olivia.
Subtle smiles and hand held out, and finally able to breathe and relaxâŠ
immediately reminds of the scene right before Olivia jumps off the diving boards at Yvesâ smile and gesture.
This time, it's sung by Gowon, not Olivia.
The next part is where I really want to focus on.
It's what convinced me that [X11X] comes before [Let Me In], and it was completely intentional and planned.
It is Heejinâs rap.
It's what convinced me that [X11X] comes before [Let Me In], and it was completely intentional and planned.
It is Heejinâs rap.
My thought is that this part is scarily accurate, of what I believe is the "message" Gowon is trying to send Haseul.
Read the following from Gowonâs perspective, with Haseul being the recipientâ.
(I have tweaked the translations to more accurately convey Korean connotations)
Read the following from Gowonâs perspective, with Haseul being the recipientâ.
(I have tweaked the translations to more accurately convey Korean connotations)
âPeople want to put and hold shiny things in their handsâ
(*ëŽì is usually used for putting into a bag or basket)
(*ëŽì is usually used for putting into a bag or basket)
This why Gowon chose to travel to Iceland and deliver this message to Haseul.
She perhaps thought although human, Haseul had the willpower to join her on this rescue mission.
And being a pollinator, Gowon metaphorically refers to âcompletionâ as flowers "blooming".
She perhaps thought although human, Haseul had the willpower to join her on this rescue mission.
And being a pollinator, Gowon metaphorically refers to âcompletionâ as flowers "blooming".
I think we could see more of this.
As I said, I think it had to be the yyxy members that traveled to LOONA 1/3âs human worlds to help their journey begin.
I think there is a reason Heejin sings this line; perhaps points to Oliviaâs unfinished story with Heejin to come next.
As I said, I think it had to be the yyxy members that traveled to LOONA 1/3âs human worlds to help their journey begin.
I think there is a reason Heejin sings this line; perhaps points to Oliviaâs unfinished story with Heejin to come next.
CHAPTER 16. [Let Me In]: The Rescue Mission
With that in mind, the last MV I want to discuss is [Let Me In].
Keep Gowonâs message from [Rosy] close by.
With that in mind, the last MV I want to discuss is [Let Me In].
Keep Gowonâs message from [Rosy] close by.
Haseul âarrivesâ at Iceland on a truck, and Boyseul opens her eyes realizing there is an intruder.
Haseul finds crystals on the ground and begins collecting them into her bag.
They are lined up as if someone had deliberately placed them there.
It makes sense if you recall crystals represent royalty, something Gowon may have stolen from Edenism when she left.
They are lined up as if someone had deliberately placed them there.
It makes sense if you recall crystals represent royalty, something Gowon may have stolen from Edenism when she left.
This eventually leads Haseul to find the broken airplane.
And there she realizes Gowonâs message.
"The mission that the old, broken plane had failed to complete."
And there she realizes Gowonâs message.
"The mission that the old, broken plane had failed to complete."
She then uses Gowonâs crystal to then kill Boyseul.
There are many theories and thoughts on what this means and who it is, whether is was an alternate version of Haseul or simply represents the fear inside herself.
What we can assume is that Haseul knew this had to be done.
There are many theories and thoughts on what this means and who it is, whether is was an alternate version of Haseul or simply represents the fear inside herself.
What we can assume is that Haseul knew this had to be done.
Right before shooting Boyseul, Haseul says âJe ne sais mĂȘme pas oĂč commencerâ (I don't even know where to begin) in French.
(*Note: This voice was indeed Haseulâs, she confirmed it on Day 1 of Line&Up)
(*Note: This voice was indeed Haseulâs, she confirmed it on Day 1 of Line&Up)
It almost sounds like a short prayer to the mysterious force that led her there.
"If I goes forward with this decision, what will come next?"
"Will I be okay?"
"If I goes forward with this decision, what will come next?"
"Will I be okay?"
And this action allowed Haseul to break her own Mobius earlier than many girls and begin her âquest to findâ.
I wasnât exactly sure why Haseul showed such particularly strong conviction to search for the LOONA members. Now we see where it came from. https://twitter.com/caskerbox/status/1031791071221694465
I wasnât exactly sure why Haseul showed such particularly strong conviction to search for the LOONA members. Now we see where it came from. https://twitter.com/caskerbox/status/1031791071221694465
EPILOGUE. & Beyond
There was more I wanted to discuss, particularly [Vivid] and its role.
Heejin is the first member and the rest of girlsâ colors âexplodedâ from her.
Towards the end you get mosaic scenes that look like how butterflies see the world⊠or even spider vision?
There was more I wanted to discuss, particularly [Vivid] and its role.
Heejin is the first member and the rest of girlsâ colors âexplodedâ from her.
Towards the end you get mosaic scenes that look like how butterflies see the world⊠or even spider vision?
But I'll save them for later!
Again, being that this is written âpredictivelyâ, we will need to wait for the full MV to fully understand the story. I just wanted to share my perspective of what I think we could expect next!
And again thank you for reading this long thread
Again, being that this is written âpredictivelyâ, we will need to wait for the full MV to fully understand the story. I just wanted to share my perspective of what I think we could expect next!
And again thank you for reading this long thread

<Act III.> LOONAverse Beyond: "Butterfly" https://twitter.com/caskerbox/status/1109304263640076288